How Yogi Bhajan encouraged my use of astrology to predict the outcomes of sport's games: Yes, I lied and with Guru Sahib's grace I am trying to live the life of a Gursikh

by Gursant Singh ⌂ @, Yuba City California USA, Sunday, January 15, 2012, 18:31 (3781 days ago) @ Gursant Singh
edited by Gursant Singh, Friday, January 20, 2012, 16:50

In this thread I want to show through personal experiences with Yogi Bhajan, how he tacitly and explicitly encouraged his disciples to commit both temporal and spiritual fraud.

This story shows how Yogi Bhajan encouraged his students to commit spiritual fraud with an explicit example:

Baseball Betting Yoga

Through my contacts while working in the questionable art market with Singh Sahib Sat Peter Singh, I met an LA “sports bookie”. It was baseball season and the bookie, we’ll call him Larry, was always encouraging me to make some bets on my favorite teams. I think Larry may have even planted this idea in my mind; Why not use astrology to predict the outcome of professional Baseball games? My brain was always working to find new quick and easy ways to make money in order to please Yogi Bhajan and his desire to fund the “Dharma”. After all, we were told that 3HO white Sikhs needed to lead the world into the “Aquarian Age” and it takes ALLOT of MONEY.

While serving Yogi Bhajan as a young man during the early 80’s, I chauffeured numerous astrologers, pundits and psychics from their homes in the Los Angeles area to see Yogi Bhajan at YB’s residence behind the “Guru Ram Das Ashram” Gurdwara at 1620 Preuss Road. As you all know, traffic in LA can be a night-mirror but as an aspiring B.S. - B. (Bhajan Style minus the Business) protégé, I had found a way to make good use of this “downtime” by picking the brains of these YB approved experts of prediction.

“How could I predict the outcome of a baseball game?” I’d ask my captive audience of astrology gurus, while we sat in bumper to bumper traffic on the Santa Monica freeway. “Yes, Yes, Yes, No problem just u find ruling planet for day and match that up with planet ruling pitcher’s birth chart and u have winner,” as one pundit told me in his thick Indian accent. Others suggested taking the teams playing each other that day and matching their Naad or sound vibration for the team’s name with the ruling planet of the day to get a winner. The different systems were as varied as varieties of cockroaches in a Rishikesh yoga ashram.

The whole idea of using astrology for a practical purpose really intrigued me. By using astrology to predict the outcome of a game, I could scientifically prove without a doubt that Yogi Bhajan’s yogic technology worked and I could make lots and lots of money quickly and easily at the same time. So I charged ahead, going on a 25 year search for a winning formula to prove Yogi Bhajan was right and that astrology did work while making lots of money at the same time.
Well as you can imagine my search for the perfect sports betting advantage formula was not that easy to procure. I studied and studied Indian Vedic Astrology which is supposed to be the premier system for prediction with some of the world’s great Kovit Jyotish gurus for many long years while occasionally making live bets to test my beta formulas. I actually had limited monetary success using various hand calculated formulas but by the late 90’s I was able to integrate all my formulas and ideas into Microsoft Excel using visual basic with the help of a computer programmer friend of mine.

I had moved to Espanola New Mexico and was actually making money betting with various bookies in LA. The bookies would send my winnings in a Federal Express package every Monday. I have to admit I had done allot of research on sports handicapping and was integrating the ideas of professional sports handicappers with my own woo woo stuff. What part of my success was due to my now expert knowledge of real sports handicapping or to Astrology? I don’t know. I do know that I “beat up” so many book makers in LA that word got around not to take my “action” anymore, so having lost all my betting “outs”, I had to turn to the emerging internet sports books which were at least quasi legal.

I also learned how to count cards at black jack after being inspired by an outing with Yogi Bhajan’s “right-hand man”, Hari Jiwan playing craps (Dice game) at the Big Rock casino in Espanola. Even though card counters have an advantage, my career as a professional Black Jack player didn’t last long as a real money making system as it was impossible for me to camouflage myself and not be detected by Casino detectives who stay on the lookout for “undesirables” who think they can get away with using their intelligence to beat the Casinos; you can well imagine why, my being a Sikh & wearing a turban, beard and all. After being told by many casinos, “We don’t want your play, thank you very much.” And then one casino in Las Vegas, I think it was the Stratosphere, put me on the famous Griffin Detective Agency list that uses facial recognition software which made it impossible for me to play BJ anywhere in the world again. The sports handicapping gig was definitely the way to go and now with the advent of the internet super highway it made betting fast and easy.

Somehow word got to the “master” Yogi Bhajan that I was betting on baseball games and making lots of money. So on a hot New Mexico day in June, Yogi Bhajan stopped in front of my house on Walnut circle to chat while he was cruising the neighborhood which surrounds Hacienda Guru Ram Das Ashram. Dharma Singh was driving his Mercedes SUV, Hari Jiwan, and Siri Mukhta Singh sat in the back seat and Siri Hari, (James Angleton the CIA super sleuth’s daughter) was standing on the curb listening for good measure. I was packing a 38 caliber handgun on my hip. Yogi Bhajan’s love of guns prompted him to immediately say when I walked up to him, “Son what kind of pistol is that”? I carefully took the revolver out of the holster and opened the cylinder for safety and handed YB the weapon. I said “It’s a Smith & Wesson self-defense revolver sir.” While looking over the gun Yogi Bhajan said something to the effect of, “Son, you should keep playing at this baseball game you’ve started and I want these other three to help you, we’ll call all of you the four musketeers.” Yogi Bhajan then returned the pistol to me and drove off.

The next day, bright and early, I heard from Hari Jiwan who was very excited to get involved with my little business of beating sports books. Evidently as he told me, he had used a bookie to bet on football in LA with marginal success but had stopped only because it didn’t pay to use his time and energy in this way. While inspecting my "War room" later that day, of no less than five computers all arranged to make complicated astrological calculations for the day's game picks, Hari Jiwan said, "I like your system because it uses Yogi Ji's astrology ideas and the best part is that you can do it all with just a few clicks of a mouse and no hassle with meeting sleazy bookies using the internet outfits to place our bets."

I got Hari Jiwan all set up with a $5,000 stake at an offshore account called “Hollywood Sports” which had great lines. Low “juice” as it’s called in bookie jargon means the sports book’s spread was only 5 cents on every dollar bet.

What is really ironic and looking back was truly Guru Sahib’s hand at work in order to discourage my continuation with this un-Sikh like practice of gambling, I had a miserable season that year. Hari Jiwan lost all his money on teams I thought had an advantage to win even though I did recommend using proper money management. You see, in any kind of betting formula you must calculate your advantage. Let’s say I have a 10% edge. This means I can only bet a certain percentage of my bank roll on any one game, usually only 2% of the bank role is wagered in order to avoid ruin in the case of a losing streak which is going to happen with any system. Winning and losing streaks are called a binomial distribution. Hari Jiwan and probably Yogi Bhajan thought for some reason that I would win every game but I never promised that. Anyway Hari Jiwan dropped out after that losing season and I never heard from Yogi Bhajan or any of the “three Musketeers” again.

I have since stopped sports betting, card counting at Black Jack, and the use of astrology in any kind of prediction as I realize it is not the proper activity for a Sikh to be engaged in.

In this thread I want to show through personal experiences with Yogi Bhajan, how he tacitly and explicitly encouraged his disciples to commit both temporal and spiritual fraud.

Yogi Bhajan and the Rolls Royce "Silver Shadow"

This example revolves around a tacit encouragement by YB(Yogi Bhajan) to commit fraud by his students. We all know about YB’s obsession with money and material wealth and we have all experienced the fact that in order to gain YB’s attention you had to have either money or status in the world. Well here was my clever way to get the “master’s” blessings.

At the age of 28 I had graduated literally upstairs to Sat Peter’s fine art Boiler room on Robertson Blvd in West Los Angeles where we sold questionable Salvador Dali serigraphs. Singh Sahib Sat Peter Singh’s telemarketing outfit was based on the same principles as the GRD axioms, “Make money however way you can, there’s NO karma in cheating if you do it in order to promote the “Dharma” and get YB’s blessings.”I was also dabbling in buying and selling cars with Sada Anand Singh who was on the lam from State officials for defrauding a Punjabi out of money he had due from Mercedes Benzes Sada Anand sold in his now closed car business in Fremont CA. without paying the Sikh gentleman.

Sada Anand had a Rolls Royce which he had bought at the dealer’s car auction and then attained a lease on the car to get his cash out. Now Sada Anand was broke and couldn’t make the payments to the leasing company so Sada Anand came to me with a proposal: He would put some diesel fuel in the gas tank of the rolls which would make the engine smoke profusely. Then Sada Anand would deliver the car to the leasing company and explain how the rings in the engine were leaking oil, “Look at the thing smoke”! After the lease company manager had a moment to reflect on his losses in the repossessed Rolls and how expensive it was going to be to fix the thing, Sada Anand Singh would chime in, “Oh but I do have a guy who will pay $15,000 cash for the car right away.”

Well this is what we did and it worked. I got a beautiful Rolls Royce for almost nothing which I could draw the attentions and blessings of the “Master” with and I gave Sada Anand a grand or two. And so, with my newly acquired Rolls Royce I proceeded to drive it when I was on security for Yogi Bhajan.
I don’t know if YB got tired of having a Rolls Royce in the back of his entourage with him in the older Mercedes in the front going down Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills or what but my clever plan worked and from then on whenever I was on security, YB rode with me. Did YB ever ask me how I got the Rolls Royce or how I could afford it? NO and I never told him but YB never let a minute go by that he wasn’t going on and on about how beautiful the Rolls was while praising my many virtues and ability to make money.


In this thread I want to show through personal experiences with Yogi Bhajan, how he tacitly and explicitly encouraged his disciples to commit both temporal and spiritual fraud.

SatS says: "Then there was the school of rationalization that acknowledged YB's (Yogi Bhajan's) awareness of the frauds and crimes, but framed it like this:

"He (Yogi Bhajan)keeps them close because they have so much karma and he is balancing it." "They would be so much worse if he didn't have them in his presence all the time." "He is allowing them to act out their karma but protecting them....""

Gursant Singh says: I can categorically refute this argument with my next story of Yogi Bhajan's personal involvement with an attempted swindle:

How Yogi Bhajan encouraged me to take bribes!

I've had many professions in my life, by far the most lucrative and successful one was being a Real Estate Agent in Northern New Mexico in the mid 90’s. I had gained a good reputation in the area as a real estate agent and gained the trust of a really nice local Hispanic couple, we’ll call them the Martinez’s, who lived just up the street from me. The Martinez’s had a double wide mobile home on a ½ acre lot which they had scrimped and saved to buy many years ago doing real jobs working for real companies in Los Alamos . The Martinez’s wanted to move closer to their son and daughter so they listed their mobile home for sale with me. We decided on a fair market price which would give the couple enough to put a sizeable down payment on a new home they’d been looking at.

Yogi Bhajan always had a vulture’s appetite for any real property in the area around his “estates” and the Martinez’s property was rare indeed as it happened to be literally only a stone’s throw from the side gate to YB’s “Ranch” as we 3HOers called it. Yogi Bhajan must have psychic abilities when it comes to a good deal because no longer than a few hours after the Martinez’s had listed the property for sale, YB was on the phone to his rich buddy Swaran Singh who just happened to be visiting Bhajan in Espanola telling him to buy this rare property so he could build a vacation home in beautiful New Mexico and be close to Bhajan.

I think a little background on Swaran Singh is in order here to set the characters for the upcoming swindle that I’m sure you all can see coming. Swaran is a Punjabi born timber tycoon from Vancouver Canada and has been a longtime crony of Yogi Bhajan at least since the mid 80’s. Swaran began traveling with YB all around the world and even started wearing long elaborately embroidered robes and huge gem stones in order to emulate Yogi Bhajan. I had heard some unflattering stories from 3HO women traveling with Yogi Bhajan about Swaran’s flirtatious advances and aggressive behavior and so maybe I should have been more careful when he called me and wanted to have an immediate viewing of the Martinez’s property.

Anyway, being the ego-manic salesman that I was, I said to myself “If I can sell ice to an Eskimo then I can surely sell a piece of land in rural New Mexico to a crude man like Swaran with no problems.” So when Swaran called me to show the Martinez’s house I said “Sure, I’ll be happy to show you the house.” I gave him the directions to the place and said, “I’ll meet you there in a few minutes”. (continued under pic below) [image]
(Pic from my father's library of salesmanship awards which shows a salesman selling an icebox to an Ekimo)

The house viewing was a little strange to say the least; you’d normally expect friendly house buyers out for a drive in the neighborhood to introduce themselves but not with Swaran. Swaran was very abrupt and matter of fact and after a quick viewing left without saying anything. Well I thought it just must be the eccentricities of the spiritual people Yogi Bhajan has around him.
The next morning I received a call from Mr. Martinez he was practically crying as he told me how Swaran and a few of his “friends” had come back unannounced to his house that same day after the showing and insisted to just have “some tea” in their kitchen with Mr. Martinez and his wife. I could hear Mr. Martinez through the phone as his voice trembled, “That awful man wouldn’t leave until we signed a contract to sell the house.” I said, “Well that doesn’t sound so bad, he shouldn’t have gone around me…” “But I haven’t told you the price he wants to pay...…” When I heard the price Swaran had strong-armed the Martinez’s into selling for, my mouth fell open and I realized what a fool I had been for thinking that I could trust this sleazy guy.

I immediately called Swaran, “As the Martinez’s agent I have a fiduciary responsibility to them and I’ll never let you get away with this.” I angrily stated. Swaran yelled back, “You’re my enemy for life get ready for the biggest war you’ve ever been in.”

Not long after that Yogi Bhajan called me and said, “Why didn’t you keep your mouth shut, we would have paid you off and everyone would have been happy.” I was dumbfounded, how could my “spiritual teacher” be telling me to take what amounts to a bribe? Not only was Yogi Bhajan commanding me to break my fiduciary responsibility as a real estate agent under the laws of the State of New Mexico but he was causing great harm to this nice Hispanic couple by insisting they take a much lower price than the market value of their house in order to satisfy the whim of a sleazy rich guy who only wanted a vacation home! “Where would the Martinez’s live if Swaran took possession of their home?” I asked myself.

A few days later when Swaran realized we weren’t going to give into his inequitable contract, he filed a lawsuit in the First District Court of New Mexico alleging breach of contract. Swaran used Yogi Bhajan’s recommendation for an attorney, hired-gun and once Chancellor of Yogi’s Sikh Dharma, Guru Terath Singh Khalsa to represent him in this ill-founded litigation. The Martinez’s and I hired a simple local lawyer who listened carefully to our case and eventually convinced Guru Terath Singh that Swaran’s case would not go over well with a local Hispanic jury and the same jury might even award damages to the Martinez’s if they were to file a counter-claim against Swaran. Needless to say Swaran gave in and dropped the lawsuit. I also learned that several years later Swaran Singh’s son committed suicide by shooting himself with a pistol in the basement of Yogi Bhajan’s right-hand man Gurubachan Singh Khalsa’s Albuquerque home. While I certainly don’t wish this awful occurrence to happen to anyone, I do think it is worth observing what happened in Swaran's family.

This whole experience with Yogi Bhajan and his crony Swaran was a real eye-opener for me to say the least and the beginning of my realization that “The Emperor (Yogi Bhajan) may not have any clothes on".

SatS asks:"Is this Martinez property the one that eventually became "The Estate" at the end of "Siri Singh Sahib Lane"? And if so, how did that come about--better I hope than the Swaran Singh fiasco."

I don't feel comfortable revealing the exact property address of the Martinez's place but I will say the 5 acres or so next to Walnut circle where the big 20 foot high golden Budha stands was a different deal and another story which as you might have guessed involved some more swindling by YB. If I have time I'll tell the whole story of that deal but just for now I'll say that YB violated the County of Santa Fe's density regulations when he moved the house at 16 Walnut circle over to this 5 acre property along with putting an illegal laundry room, septic tank and road in there.

I reported Yogi Bhajan to Santa Fe County and the County attorney filed a criminal case against "the Siri Singh Sahib." in magistrate court. Good old boy Guru Terath Singh got the case dismissed somehow with his connections. There could still be a case filed again for this violation because the county inspector told me that every day constitutes a new violation but so far no one has stepped up to the plate to make a new complaint. Siri Hari Kaur (James Angleton the CIA super sleuth’s daughter) had purchased the 16 Walnut circle house from Dr. Alan at YB's direction in order to build her multi million-dollar "garden" which eventually appeared in Architectural digest a few years later. In the pic below you can see just on the other side of the fake roman ruins is where YB's Big Budha is and where he moved the old house to. My old house was to the left in the photo. It is also worth noting that Siri Hari caused a huge uproar amongst the locals when she tried to build an 18 foot wall surrounding her place. I was accused of reporting her but this is not true. All the local neighbors were furious and called out the County Commissioner to red flag the whole project. It shows again how Bhajan and his cronies had a complete disconnect and NO understanding of or with regular people and locals.

Yogi Bhajan sends me to work for 3HO "Toner Bandits" when I was 24 years old!

The following thread is taken in part from a forum with former and ex Yogi Bhajan cult followers:

StillaSikh says: A phone room (Yogi Bhajan telemarketing boiler room) started up in Espanola (in 1989? 1990?). I went down there and saw the operation. My neighbors were on the phones, calling themselves things like Mary Smith and Bob Thomas. That didn't seem right, but they said they did it because the customers had too much trouble with Sikh names so I let it pass. I got a job in the packing room preparing shipments of typewriter ribbon, which suited me fine. I'd come in for a few hours after work to make some extra money.

After a few weeks I asked about the sales work because it supposedly paid better. One of my housemates had worked for GRD in LA; he told me that I could make $80,000 a year doing sales. That sounded great! The boss gave me a little script to read. It said something like, "Hi, my name is [fill in the blank]. I work for your copier company. We just revised the owner's manuals and want to send a new one out to you, but our computers are down so I don't know what your specific model number is. Can you please look and read it off to me so that I can send you the correct manual?"

According to the model number given, the people in the boiler room could tell what brand it was. They would wait 2-3 weeks, then a different person would call back and pretend to represent the company their machine was from. "Hi, I'm from Xerox/Canon/Sharp/... and I want to send you your toner..."

I started on a Friday and did my shtick for about four hours. They gave me a stack of cards with numbers to call, mostly charities because charities are often staffed by volunteers- naive people who are likely to give up the information. The Salvation Army. The Navaho Children's Milk Fund. Organizations that could not bear the cost of being ripped off. This felt wrong, but they told me that, "The Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan) knows about it and he says it's OK." However, the longer I did it the worse I felt.

One girl on the phone started crying. She said, "I really want to help you because I can tell by your voice that you're honest, but I gave out information once to someone over the phone and then we got this big bill, and my boss said that if I ever did it again he would fire me. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry! *SOB!*"

Sometime later, an old man said, "Young lady, you sound like a good girl and you know what you're doing is wrong. Stop, before you imperil your mortal soul." I felt like throwing up.

By that time, I was crying so hard I couldn't go on. Gave my stack of completed cards to the boss- and he was flabbergasted. He said the normal success rate for those cards was 15%, but I had gotten an 80% response. He wanted me to come back on Monday. I told him that I found myself rooting for the people on the other end of the line, hoping that they would hang up on me. He said that wasn't good, and asked me to think about it over the weekend- he really wanted me back.

I remember driving from there to the video shop in Espanola to return a movie. Everyone I looked at, I wondered, "Could I con them? Could I get them to believe a lie?" I had never seen people in that light before, but after only four hours of lying I was seeing people, not as fellow human beings but as potential marks. I was thinking like a predator. I had broken my Amrit vow to earn my living honestly by the sweat of my brow. Inside, I felt filthy- defiled - but no one had done it to me- I had done it to myself.

I cried in bed all that night and the next day. Someone suggested I call Guru Chander Singh. He wasn't much help and referred me to a certain someone who was high up in a certain security business that I will not name here. This "minister of Sikh Dharma" defended the phone room activity as "just business". Having owned my own business and been self employed for many years, I found myself arguing with him about business ethics (seemed he basically didn't believe in them).

In desperation, I then called Bhai Sahib Guru Liv Singh for spiritual counseling. My only interaction with him prior to this was a "pre-Amrit-vows" interview at Solstice. He didn't want to let me take Amrit because, in his opinion, I wasn't "Amritdari material". I took it anyway.

I told Guru Liv Singh that I had broken Amrit by lying on the phone to con people out of their money. He told me it was OK, that sometimes people had to do whatever it took to make a living. He kept making excuses as to why lying to make money wasn't bad. I told him that phone sex would be more honest work, because at least the customers knew what they were getting.

Finally I said, "If telling lies isn't breaking my vow to earn my living honestly, then I'm gonna go out, eat a steak, smoke a joint and get laid!"

"You can't do that!" he sputtered, "That would be wrong!"

Pointing out his inconsistency, I asked him point blank to explain why it was OK to lie when the vow specifically said to be honest. Then he confessed: money was tight and he was thinking of working there himself. Holy sh*t! I asked him if he really believed that God and Guru would take care of him? He was a Bhai Sahib- where was his faith? Then I told him that it seemed he needed spiritual counseling more than I did.

That Sunday I saw him after Gurdwara and he asked me what I had decided. I said if necesssary, I'd sell my body on the street for money before lying over the phone again... then I reminded him about how I wasn't Amritdari material. He went pale and couldn't look me in the eye.

My housemates got back in town, and I told them how torn up I was about having broken my Amrit vows. They told me that it was OK because, "The Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan) says there's no karma if you lie over the phone, because your aura isn't touching the other person's aura." WTF????? We got into a huge argument about it. The wife screamed in my face, "IF YOU THINK THE SIRI SINGH SAHIB'S WRONG, THEN _YOU'RE_ WRONG!"

After that, I made an anonymous call to a law enforcement agency, asking if certain hypothetical actions of a hypothetical phone room were legal or illegal. The man told me that it was so illegal, that if they ever busted such an operation all the employees would be led out in handcuffs. I had no intention of reporting the phone room, but I was terrified that someone else might. I shared this information with one of my neighbors, a mother of small children, and begged her to stop working there for her children's sake, if not for her own.

Then I went and took a Hukam and asked the Guru for guidance on working in the phone room. It's the only time I've ever read the Guru where it threatened fire and brimstone. My best recollection is, "Those who lie and think they can hide their actions from the True Lord, Death's myrmidon will claim them and they will be chained to a pillar of fire for eternity. But those who truly repent and seek forgiveness for their actions will be forgiven."

Copied it, typed it up, sent one copy to YB and tacked another copy to the front door of the phone room.

All hell broke loose on my head! Between posting the Hukam and someone reporting that I had called a law enforcement agency, they went on the warpath against me. A MSS accused me of "threatening a man's business". My response was that a legitimate business offered something of value to the customer: price, service or exceptional quality. This so-called "business" did none of those things, so was not a "business" to be defended, but was in fact a con.

And that, dear friends, is the 3HO business model!

I got into an argument with Hari Jiwan once! it was about the phone rooms, back when I was trying to get the one in Espanola stopped.

He (Hari Jiwan) told me that my problem was that I was hung up in Western Judeo-Christian ethics, and that those rules didn't apply to Sikhs. "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not lie" were part of the Judeo-Christian code. He said that Sikhism wasn't a Judeo-Christian religion, so therefore wasn't bound by their code of ethics. I argued that Sikhism is intensely moral in its own right, completely against lying and stealing, but he just wouldn't listen.

He smugly told me that this came from the Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan), and if I didn't agree with The Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan) then I wasn't a Sikh (this was the second time someone told me that). At that point I lost my temper. I jumped out of my chair, leaned across the desk and shouted into his face: "How DARE you tell me I'm not a Sikh! Apologize right now!"

He literally flew backwards in his chair and stuttered apologies at me. He was scared sh**less. I was really surprised by how scared he was.

It felt so satisfying, but after that my goose, as they say, was cooked.

SatSelf says; Oh, yes, my husband was one of The Chief of Protocol's (Hari Jiwan) acolytes and those types of things were said to me on a regular basis. I was also told (in scathing tones) that I was "too good" because I had been raised Catholic. I think William Butler Yeats must have been describing our modern zeitgeist when he wrote:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

[image]Gursant Singh says: Thank you for sharing this detailed account of your YB boiler room experience. I too worked in this environment but I continued down "the slippery slope" into even worse avenues with Harijiwan Jr. who was just sending out invoices with no product! I justified it all because in 1981 Yogi Bhajan personally sent me over to sell at the GRD boiler room in LA under MSS Hari Jiwan Singh's tutelage where I learned all kinds of tricks and illegal activities.

I told Yogi Bhajan that I wanted to be a psychologist and counsel people. I was 24 years old and had just graduated from the U of O and become a certified practitioner of NLP. Yogi Bhajan told me with no uncertain words. "How are you going to make any money, go over to GRD (The 3HO boiler room) and MSS Hari Jiwan Singh will teach you how to make money."

After seeing from Yogi Bhajan & Hari Jiwan that just about anything is justified as long as it makes a buck, as I do with everything I take on, I went out 100% with this "hukam from the master". Now of course I realize just how insane and Un Sikh like Yogi Bhajan and Hari Jiwan are.

Your post has inspired me to try and design a way to compensate victims of the YBer's boiler rooms. Does anybody know a way victims of this crime could be contacted and compensated? The problem is that most never realize they've been burned because of most companies' poor accounting.

I believe Siri Mukta ("Special Assistant to the Siri Singh Sahib(Yogi Bhajan)of Sikh Dharma" from Espanola still runs a boiler room selling toner for copy machines in Espanola?

Bhajbuster says: Would you (Gursant Singh) care to describe the art business that MSS Sat Peter Singh was running during this time?

Gursant Singh says: MSS Sat Peter Singh was getting questionable (I didn't know this at the time) "signed limited edition serigraphs" from this Robert Goldman character that I was defrauded by and other distributors and then selling them on the phone to doctors at highly inflated prices. There was later even a piece on CBS 60 minutes about the whole Dali art scam.

Anyway, I worked for Sat Peter for a time and got connected with Goldman who started offering me "investment" opportunities to buy art, mainly Andy Warhol serigraphs which Goldman promised to turn around and sell at huge profits. Being young and vulnerable I approached various people in the LA 3HO sangat with this "investment" opportunity. Siri Sant Singh who was married to Victor Forsythe's sister at the time was really excited and he offered their house as collateral for a loan to have me invest in some Andy Warhol art. I think Forsythe is confused about the Kettle Chip connection because nobody at Kettle chips was involved. Maybe Forsythe saw that Siri Sant Singh was involved with selling health food along with MSS Sada Sat Singh who also invested money but was paid back his principle along with 5% interest per month and this is where Forsythe got the idea that people at Kettle chips were involved.

Bhajbuster says: Sat Peter was selling art to doctors over the phone? That takes real skill. His MSS credentials would have been a wasted asset in the toner room. Any karma over the phone in the art biz or was the no karma edict (by Yogi bhajan) in effect solely for the toner sadhana?

Gursant Singh says: Sat Peter's art biz was right above the GRD toner boiler room so maybe that put them closer to God or they picked up the vibes from the toner room below. It seems the karma hit everyone involved so I don't think Yogi Bhajan's "No karma over the phone" held water.

StillaSikh says:"Shoot, even if someone wrote in anonymously and said something like, "I was formerly the head of an ashram and I feel terrible about the way I treated people back then," it would be a good start."

Gursant Singh says: 1541.46 in reply to 1541.41

I wasn't a Mukia but I did some pretty bad and even illegal stuff under Yogi Bhajan's, MSS Hari Jiwan's, MSS Sat Peter Singh's, MSS Sada Sat Singh's & Harijiwan Singh Jr's tutelage. I realize now that I scammed hundreds of thousands of dollars off people in the "Dharma" and even more from people outside 3HO. I did it all with the thought that the means justified the end of getting money to promote Yogi Bhajan's "Dharma". How ironic that my actions were really destroying it.

I will say that the money I borrowed from people in the Dharma for art investments towards the mid 80’s was done in good faith by me although I used very poor judgment. Mukias and Yogi Bhajan who were watching me should have stepped in and stopped the whole thing but instead MSS Sada Sat Singh, Harijiwan Jr, Kirpal Singh and a few other higher ups took large profits and left the peons and myself for that matter, with empty pockets. I gave Yogi Bhajan large amounts of cash but YB was always very clever not to involve himself directly in these scams although I am sure he knew about them.

YB did however involve himself in at least one scam with an Indian Sikh from Vancouver named Swaran Singh to get a house from a nice Hispanic couple I represented who lived near the Ranch. I think I've told this story before here on Wacko World so I'll suffice it to say that I was the Real Estate agent for the Hispanic couple and by then I was getting wiser to YB's frauds. I ended up telling both YB and Swaran Singh that I had a fiduciary responsibility to the Hispanic couple and I would fight them tooth and nail before they took the Martinez’s house. Both YB & Swaran were very angry at me as a result of losing the lawsuit that MSS Guru Terath Singh brought against the Hispanic couple. Swaran Singh even called me his "enemy" for life and YB told other people in 3HO that he was angry at me and to "get that Gursant Singh".

Anyway, I take responsibility for my actions and I want to not only apologize to those people I took money from but I want to make some monetary amends by selling the YB artwork I have mentioned owning and then reimburse these people to try and make them whole again at least financially.

Gursant Singh says: I consider that the people I scammed were also "burned" by Yogi Bhajan in a way too. I think those people who lost money think that also since I was so young and under Yogi Bhajan's direction. If you read the blog by Mr. Forsythe about losing the family home over the art investments, he points the finger of blame directly at Yogi Bhajan.

I will say however there are several in accuracies in his blog. The amount they loaned me was $80,000 and I paid about $800 per month for several years to them along with a $10,000 lump sum. There was never any written guarantee for the loan by anyone else but myself. The mother had transferred the house to her daughter Harprakash who gave me the loan supposedly to avoid IRS liens. I also tried to help them sell their house when the market was high but they refused because one brother was living in the house that the rest of the family had a restraining order against. A few years later the house went into foreclosure. It was apparent the man I had invested the money with for the artwork, Robert Goldman (a supplier of MSS Sat Peter Singh) would never pay me back and had defrauded me as he was being investigated by the LA police and was called before a Grand Jury for art fraud. I had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money and therefore was in financial distress by then too. I moved to Espanola and had to stop making payments to the Forsythes. My mother bought the house listed below from Yogi Bhajan with her own money and I lived in the house until 2007.

Yogi Bhajan's Chief of Protocol: MSS Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa

"The Master(Yogi bhajan)later explained to me that was the way it was supposed to be as it was the beginning of the switch in Sikh leadership from the Indian community to the American Sikh yogis – recognized or not." ~ MSS Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa in a letter to the American Sikh community dated 06/24/2011
Is this a smoking gun or what? I have always suspected that Yogi Bhajan wanted to hijack the Sikh religion, here's the proof from the mouth of Yogi Bhajan's closest aid! See more photos and discussion on facebook:[image]
MSS Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa brags to have been Yogi Bhajan’s closest aid, literally with Yogi Bhajan everyday between 1978 and 2004. Hari Jiwan shows the American Sikh community in a letter dated 11/4/2011 his complete disdain for Sikhs of Punjabi ancestry when he says,

"There was one problem. Every time I’d run into an Indian Sikh, I’d feel accosted and tested. I was tested in the Indian custom so they could rationalize their superiority. Because I didn’t know all they knew, they could justify their rejection of me, our organization and the Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan) all at the same time. I didn’t like being there foil. I finally said to the Master (Yogi Bhajan), “Sir, I’ve run into a lot of Indian Sikhs. They’re very condescending. They all have asked me about parts and teachings and interpretations of the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. I follow you and you have taught me what the Guru says in my language. I don’t know theirs as intimately. What should I say so I don’t look like an idiot in their eyes and give them a chance to think they know better?” The Master spoke simple words of wisdom which would serve to shield my innocence and represent me and all I stood for in the highest honor. The Master replied, “Just tell them that they are much smarter than you, all you do is chant Wahe Guru.” The answer was so simple, so direct, and so accurate that no Sikh could deny its reality, humility, devotion and elevation." See Hari Jiwan's entire letter at

The truth is that Yogi Bhajan was telling Hari Jiwan to lie and just "fake it and you'll make it"! Hari Jiwan and Yogi Bhajan for that matter did NOT "just chant Waheguru" but rather were actively doing beadbi (sacrilegious actions) against Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji with all Yogi Bhajan’s tantra mantra anti Sikh practices.

Yogi Bhajan and Hari Jiwan buying and selling gem stones and jewellry at Jerry's on Beverly Drive in Beverly Hills California, a favorite spot for their business activities. In June 1997,one year after this photo was taken, the Federal Trade Commission filed charges against Hari Jiwan. (Taken from an FTC press release) Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa, also known as Stephen Jon Oxenhandler, a/k/a Bob Thomas; as part of "Project Field of Schemes." This law enforcement effort comprised of approximately 61 law-enforcement actions. In its complaint detailing the charges, the FTC alleged that the defendants routinely misrepresented the risk, value, appreciation and liquidity of the gemstones they sold and falsely claimed that consumers would realize tremendous profits. In addition, the defendants falsely pledged that they could and would easily liquidate consumers' gemstone portfolios after an 18-month holding period. In fact, according to the FTC, the defendants typically ceased all contact with consumers and refused to liquidate their gemstones after the 18-month period. Shortly after the complaint was filed, the court issued a temporary restraining order, froze the defendants' assets and appointed a temporary receiver over the corporate defendants.
I went to Jerry's shop in Beverly Hills with YB and HJ almost every day as I was on YB's security. I also took Shakti Parwha Kaur to Wells Fargo bank on Wilshire Blvd in Beverly Hills about three times a week to get gems and a new set of YB's jewellery that he would adorn himself with for that particular day depending on what the astrological stars said he should wear. Shakti would say, "Let's go get the crown jewels." When Shakti and I entered the room at the bank to open the numerous safe deposit boxes full of the precious stones, I was shocked the first time I saw the outrageous amount of trays displaying these huge gemstones.
Around the year 2000, Yogi Bhajan tried to personally sell me a yogic ring for several thousand dollars. We were at Hari Jiwan's house in Espanola where HJ keeps a vast collection of gems worth millions of dollars. Yogi Bhajan told me. "You're naked." And he stated I needed a ring with a particular stone to protect me.

"I went on a few of those shopping trips to Jerry's place in Beverly Hills. To me it seemed that Jerry and YB were running some sort of scam on those who were coerced into making purchases."

"YB and Jerry double-teamed people (not just the women), urging them to purchase things because they were 'beautiful' or 'good for your aura.' "

You may read all the many letters from Hari Jiwan with comments from former followers of Yogi Bhajan at:

Yogi Bhajan and Hari Jiwan at Jerry's in Beverly Hills California

"Jerry’s shop was much bigger than it appeared. Behind the showroom was a private negotiation room with a couch, table and a chair or two. Behind this room was a large fully equipped kitchen where we enjoyed many delicious Armenian meals.
On a gorgeous spring afternoon in 1989 the Siri Singh Sahib was viewing a special Cartier broach and chain when he received a call from one of his secretaries......."

In a recent letter from Hari Jiwan, HJ says, "As he (Yogi Bhajan) often said, “I’m an easy target if all you want to see are my faults.”"

"He (Yogi Bhajan) was a living example of the greatness of our Guru in spite of any faults – which were few and insignificant. He was my hero and he was a true hero."

"There are very few Buddhas, Christs, Guru Nanaks that make it to this earth."~Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa.
Is Hari Jiwan implying that Yogi Bhajan is on an equal level to Guru Nanak?

Here I think is the crux of the problem with YBers. YBers refuse to admit any significant fault with Yogi Bhajan, eventhough YB himself admitted he had many faults. While I'll admit YB did some good, his faults were clearly many and YB should never be referred to or treated as a Satguru! YB was miles behind true Satgurus like Guru Nanak Dev Ji or Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

"My experience is that our Master(YB) and the Guru were one. So surrender to one is surrender to the other."~Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa

Several people have said on this forum that Yogi Bhajan told them he was the Guru. This confirms again the view many YBers have of Yogi Bhajan and the view YB himself promoted as being a satguru.

Sikhnet Sikh & Yogi Bhajan's "right hand man," Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa declares in the newspaper article "IDOL TALK";

“If the idol stands for a virtue... I have no problem putting that anywhere.”

"Sikhism and Tantric Yoga" Please find the entire text for the Book under comments for this photograph's link or as a pdf file at:

Join the cause "Call to Truth and Authentic Sikhism" with 6,000 other Sikhs

Join a discussion group on Hari Jiwan with ex YBers at:

"Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa and Gurujot Singh Khalsa were YB's closest and dearest, his right and left arms, both crooks."

It was always my understanding that while everyone always fought and jockeyed to be close to YB, it was usually the craziest, most corrupt, sycophantic and sketchiest that were always by his side. Hardly sounds like a distinction. I also remember people telling me, "The closer you get to Espanola, the crazier it is."

Not to be completely cynical, but I have to wonder what the reasoning is behind this gush of sentimentality from the Chief of Protocol. In the wake of YB's death it seemed like many of the high muckity-mucks were subtly trying to play up angles that would give them legitimacy or authority, or at least some type of it: everything from flaunting their weird titles or starting to call themselves a "master" or "expert", to false-modest claims of siddhis, to personal stories that would range from personal reminiscences like this to more ooga-booga ones of "The SSS once gave me a SPECIAL meditation to do..." From what I've heard the banter from the Secretaries/White Tantric moderators during that time sounded like auditions for American Idol.

I guess with the Chief of Protocol's story, like all things, time will shake it out, and it will at the very least, be interesting.

Parady from the Wacko World of Yogi Bhajan:(Message Truncated)...from the Memoirs of MSS Hari Jiwan (con't):

"Remember, Chief of Protocolji, that P-A-I-N is a four- letter word for opportunity. Never forget that," he said pushing a ruby-encrusted finger painfully into my breastbone. "Those souls down there are lost sheep. Sheep with wallets."
He clasped my wrist just below the Rolex. "Other leaders have found this City of Angels and assembled followers among your generation. None of them as great as I, my son."
"That goes without saying, Sir."
He nodded in the direction of Sunset Blvd. "Jim Morrison? He had passion and sex appeal, too. He became fat. He collected fans and LA women. He made a fortune."
After a moment of silence my teacher dropped my hand and waved his glittering bracelets toward The Matterhorn. "And down there? Walt Disney! A visionary with his own kingdom. A magician, Hari Jiwan. A magician and a businessman."
The waitress brought another round of virgin pina coladas. "Tip her well, my son."
More lights twinkled beneath us as night descended on the basin.. How long had we been here? I recall mentioning it was an August afternoon when we left the movie. We had watched the summer sun go down. We had been here a long time. But with my teacher time stood still. Hours became years...
Always unpredictable, my teacher drew me up short when he waved his drink toward Benedict Canyon. "Manson got it. He faked it til he made it, Hari Jiwan."
"Manson saw the reality of this place, the truth of your generation, you spoiled, stupid American poodles. Charisma and mystical ooga-booga only carries you so far. You need a plan... There's an Apocalypse coming and Manson saw it, too..."
I could see by the illuminated dial on my teacher's Patek Phillipe chronograph that it was time for the valet to bring the Bentley. I knew of my teacher's wrath when he missed the "Hill Street Blues" theme music.
How did I get to be so lucky?

Hilarious and also sickening. Beautiful parody artfully exposing truth.

So did Yogi Bhajan advise MSS Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa on how to scam people? Yes, I believe he did.

An X-YBer busnessman once told me that while in YBism, Yogi Bhajan took him and a couple other YBer Bros into a jewelry store in Chinatown in San Francisco. There YB messed with a Chinese woman's head until she sold him the gem he wanted for far far less than she bought it for. Had she been more sensitive, she would have given Saint YB the pretty rock as a gift.

"There are very few Buddhas, Christs, Guru Nanaks that make it to this earth."~Hari Jiwan Singh Khalsa. Is Hari Jiwan implying that Yogi Bhajan is on an equal level to Guru Nanak?

There's something both pathetic and creepy in the fact that Hari Jiwan's Facebook photo album titled "Me" is half-filled of photos of YB and him. You are me and I am you and we are we and...

Although we are we to deny YB's lasting impact on the one and only Chief of Protocol? He's still schleping them gems:

(As an aside, I find it incredibly crass to name a gem company after the Nau-Nidh/Nine Treasures spoken of in the SGGS. Anyone with half a mind would not take this literally when there are so many shabads that mention the Naam as containing all nine treasures and finding the nine treasures within one's Self. It's like a Christian expecting "the gifts of the Holy Spirit" to arrive via UPS and be wrapped in a bow and ribbon.)

Whenever HJS Jr's jail time is mentioned, 3HOers seem quick to say that he did time mostly because he wouldn't snitch on others.

This means that:
1) 3HOers on one level are able to digest the fact that there was a bigger crime being committed within the castle walls, and are not only OK with that, but...
2) Believe in some kind of nobility in covering up for other people who blatantly stole money, because they were "dharmic."

The mind wobbles.

P.S. Any FCC or other documentation out there on HJS Jr.?

Siri Ram Singh Khalsa:

These guys, along with the master of lies and deception had their own paths...the socio-paths. They were men of no conscience who believed that the neds always justified the means. I'm sure there is a special place in hell reserved for yogi bludgeon.

Yeah, its called Roach Motel.

See more photos and discussion on facebook at:

“Amid the legal infighting following Yogi Bhajan’s death, critics are offering another portrait of the Sikh leader.”
3HO Sikhs are now fighting amongst themselves in a lawsuit over the millions of dollars in profits made from using the sacred Sikh religious symbols and scriptures for their own personal gain.3HO Sikhs, who follow Yogi Bhajan, funnel the money to support Yogi Bhajan's tantric cult church which 3HO Sikhs have deceptively camouflaged using names like "Sikh Dharma International", "3HO foundation", "Sikh Dharma Stewardship","","Sikh Dharma Worldwide", "Unto Infinity Board","Khalsa Council" and "KRI(Kundalini Research Institute)". See "Sikhnet's" and "Sikh Dharma International's" slick new websites which were produced with the millions in ill-gained profits using the name of the Golden Temple, names and images of the Sikh Gurus, and sacred Sikh shabads for profit in commercial enterprises.

Read the full front page article about Yogi Bhajan's lust for power and greed of his 3HO Sikhs in Today's Eugene Register-Guard:

""Yogi's Legacy in Question"".[/link]

"New lawsuit hits Golden Temple with fraud!"

Read about the infighting in 3HO and Sikh Dharma--
Today's Eugene Register-Guard:

""Rift in 3HO Sikh community threatens business empire""

Appeared in print: Friday, May 28, 2010

"Bhajan was a leader ‘by fluke’

Recently, a friend sent me articles from The Register-Guard on litigation involving Yogi Bhajan’s organizations in Oregon. The letters to the editor that followed, critical of the reporter, prompt me to throw some light on the subject. Bhajan was extremely good at what he did, but propagation of Sikhism he was not. Criticism of Bhajan’s cult cannot be construed as criticism of Sikhism.

Trilochan Singh, a distinguished Sikh scholar, in his 1977 book “Sikhism and Tantric Yoga,” describes Bhajan devastatingly: “Yogi Bhajan is a Sikh by birth, a Maha Tantric by choice but without training, and a ‘Sri Singh Sahib’ and self-styled leader of the Sikhs of the Western Hemisphere by fluke and mysterious strategy.” There was no mystery to his strategy. He ingratiated himself with the Sikh religious leadership in Punjab, which was more corrupt than the Vatican during the time of Martin Luther.

According to the Tantrics, the best form of worship is the fullest satisfaction of the sexual desires of man, therefore sexual intercourse is prescribed as a part of Tantric worship. In the annals of abuse of women, some had harems, others had concubines and Bhajan had secretaries. The Sikh gurus condemned the Tantrics and their practices. All the cases mentioned in The Register-Guard had merit.

Humility is the hallmark of a Sikh, and Bhajan had none of it. Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism, describes people such as Bhajan succinctly: “Those ... who have no virtues but are filled with egotistical pride.”

Hardev Singh Shergill President, Khalsa Tricentennial Foundation of North America Editor-in-chief, The Sikh Bulletin El Dorado Hills, Calif.

"Sikhism and Tantric Yoga"
by Dr. Trilochan Singh (Link to entire book)

"The book Sikhism And Tantric Yoga is available at: website which is operated by a genuine White Sikh is highly recommended. Gursant Singh was a member of the Yogi Bhajan Cult (3HO and the Sikhnet Gora Sikhs or White Sikhs) for over 30 years and has intimate knowledge about the inner workings of this cult which attempts to miscegnate Sikhism with Hindu idolatry. I downloaded the book from Gursant’s website and found it to be absolutely compelling. I read it in one compulsive and sustained draught. It is a study not only about cults in Sikhism but about the miscegenation of the Sikh Religion by Hinduism. It is a classic work rendered in beautiful English prose and it is patently the work of a profound intellectual scholar with a deep knowledge of Sikhism."
Quotation taken from:

You may also view individual chapters to "Sikhism and Tantric Yoga" at these links:

Sikhism & Tantric Yoga A Critical Evaluation of Yogi Bhajan

Sikh Doctrines and Yogi Bhajan's Secret Science

Yogi Bhajan's Adi Shakti Shaktimans and Shaktis

Yogi Bhajan's Clap Trap Theories of Kundalini Yoga

Yogi Bhajan's Ego Maniac Utterances

Yogi Bhajan's Seven Years in America and His Tinkling Titles

Yogi Bhajan's Arrest and Release on Bail

Yogi Bhajan Becomes the Only Maha Tantric in the World

Sikh Leaders without Conscience

Call to Truth and Authentic Sikhism

Please read an Excerpt below taken from "Sikhism and Tantric Yoga"

The Name of Golden Temple and its Murals

"In England last year a firm advertised some blue jeans as Jesus Jeans. The whole religious world of England rose in one protest and stopped the manufacture of these jeans. The word Golden Temple has become an instrument of commercial affairs of Yogi Bhajan He has now even named shoe stores as Golden Temple. I was given a "Wha Guru Chew.""

"Yogi Bhajan is using the sacred Sikh mantras and the sacred name of Guru Ram Das as a mantle for his Tantric Sex Yoga which will inevitably lead to mental and physical debauchery of those who take his brand of Sikhism contaminated by crazy sex-energizing asanas seriously."

Read about the "war between 3HO Sikh's Unto Infinity Board and Yogi Bhajan's Sikh Dharma". Yogi Bhajan set up all these organizations and installed their leaders. Decide for yourself if the Tantric Sex Yoga which Yogi Bhajan taught inevitably leads to mental and physical debauchery.

Many of these 3HO profiteers have cut their hair and renounced Sikhi! See these pictures below of Kartar Khalsa CEO of Golden Temple Foods and chairman of Yogi Bhajan's "Unto Infinity Board" who has cut his hair and is no longer a Sikh.
(Is it any wonder that Kartar and Peraim, Controlling members of Yogi Bhajan's "Unto Infinity Board",are wearing circus masks in the above photo?)

See these articles in today's Eugene Register Guard which shows the greed surrounding this dispute:

"Money trail at heart of Sikhs’ legal battle."

Wha Guru being used sacriligiously for huge profits by 3HO Sikhs
[image] [image]"Five flavors and they're all nuts!"


"What did the magician say to the Wha Guru Chew? Open sesame."


Yogi Bhajan used the sacred name of the Golden Temple, names and images of the Sikh Gurus, and sacred Sikh shabads for commercial enterprises to make millions of dollars. Wha Guru is even used as the name of a candy bar by Golden Temple Foods!Links appearing on the internet advertise Golden Temple along with wine and alcohol such as in this Google search link: "Golden Temple Granola - Food & Wine - Compare Prices" Other internet links associate Golden Temple massage oil with sex and sensual massages as in this Google search: "

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